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3
Nov

Game 3 Quick Thoughts

I didn’t watch Game 2 against the Clippers, and looks like it a wise decision, so no Quick Thoughts, on that game.

On to home against the Sacto Kings:

  • Jermaine O’Neal missed his first game with a foot injury. Not a good sign
  • The Warriors played defense again holding the Kings to 34.5% shooting. Lowest in the young season for any team in the NBA according to Rusty Simmons.
  • Klay Thompson had a great bounce back game leading all scorers. Really, the GSWs got great contributions from all of their starters.
  • Mike Malone wasn’t able to “outcoach” his old team and take advantage of their known weaknesses.
  • Boogie Cousins was a non-factor. A HUGE factor in the game.
  • Nice to win the games at home, your supposed to win. Especially against the Kings who handed the W’s some ugly losses in the recent past.
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31
Oct

Game 1 Quick thoughts

That’s a pretty impressive way to open the 2013-2014 NBA season. We really couldn’t have asked for too much more, especially with so many other favorites getting hit with upsets. This one was never really close.

Quick thoughts:

  • I am the only person in California without an HD TV, so I kept having flashbacks every time Bogut and Lee were on the court at the same time. I caught myself thinking, “huh Biedrins is getting some early minutes.” Thank god those are just flashbacks
  • Hott damn Klay Thompson. That was impressive even if against a crap Lakers team. 38 points in 3 quarters. I almost wish the game hadn’t been so close so we could have seen how hott he could get, but in the long run I’d rather take a rested Thompson for tonight’s game against the other LA team.
  • Iguodala is really hard for my dyslexic brain to spell, but he looked great on defense and that fast break give and take with David Lee was pretty.
  • Back to Thompson, once Barnes gets healthy, this interplay between 5th/6th man is going to be interesting. I expect them to get roughly equal minutes, even if the hot hand gets more minutes during a single game. I just cannot decide who fits the 6th man spark-plug role better, but I think it might be Thompson.
  • Anytime you can win a game and Steph Curry only score 10 points is a good day.
  • I’m a Bazemore fan boi heavily influenced by watching him in Santa Cruz, so it was nice to see him hit a couple of 3s.
  • Which one of the Euros becomes the human victory cigar? Should be an epic battle.
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30
Oct

GSW prediction post

Our predictions below with a little commentary. As far as the rest of the NBA goes, I think we are most skeptical of Houston improving as much as the consensus.

Sportsbook.com has GSW total at 52 wins. So we here at W&W are all over the place on that line. Maybe that means it is in the right place?

Mike:
Warriors: 52-30
Western conference winner: Memphis
Eastern conference winner: Indiana
Champion: Indiana
MVP: Lebron

Jake:
Warriors: 50-32
Western: Spurs
Eastern: Indiana
Champs: Spurs
MVP: Durant (I think people are tired of voting for LBJ see. MJ so unless he goes whole other level nuts it is going to someone else, and I am too scared that Rose won’t be able to hold up, but he’s my second non-Lebron choice)

Christian:
I am going to go positive and say
54 wins for the beloved Copperplate Gothic
Western: Clippers
Eastern: Heat
CHAMP: Heat
MVP: ROSE

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22
Dec

Santa Cruz Warriors: Opening Night

The Santa Cruz Warriors of the NBA Development League have their home opener tomorrow night in the new downtown arena. I tried to get tickets two weeks ago, but they were already sold out. I am sure the Warriors are quite pleased with that development  As far as I can tell there are still tickets available for all other home games, so it will be interesting to see how long the interest lasts. Overall, the town seems to still be quite excited about seeing some basketball. I will say that the NHL lockout may be playing a role in this. Santa Cruz has a lot of San Jose Sharks fans, as that is the closest major? professional franchise. With no Sharks hockey, D-league B-ball will be a nice replacement.

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12
Sep

Final SC Warriors Vote Tonight?

I got into a bit of a twitter spat/discussion with @WorseThan_Cohan this morning over the proposed moved of the Golden State Warriors D-league team’s move to Santa Cruz. I figured it might be better to get my thoughts on the whole thing in one place and up in this space for all of our 10 readers to see.  The twitter discussion gave me chance to consolidate some thoughts and think about the issue a bit more deeply which I admittedly had not done yet. I made some over-simplifications on twitter and some knee-jerk reactions.

First I need to separate the issue into two parts: (1) my view on it as a fan and (2) my view on it as a Santa Cruzian. Often these two views are completely opposed, which does make the issue difficult and why I may have seemed inconsistent on twitter.

I am a fan of the Golden State Warriors even if it is being a pained fan. The end of the Chris Cohan Era was supposed to bring happiness and optimism and I have to admit that the jubilation wore off pretty fast. But I am just a fan, not a GSW shill, although if Lacob wants to send me a bunch of money I would be more than willing to set any journalistic integrity aside and be a mouth piece.

As a fan I would love to see the D-league Warriors in Santa Cruz. It would give Santa Cruz sports fans, of which there are a ton, a team to root for and something more to do downtown. It is a bonus that the team is associated with the NBA team I root for. From a player development standpoint, which is what the D-league is supposed to be doing, having players be able to practice with the NBA squad and then make the trip to Santa Cruz that evening to play in a game would seem to be a great idea.  I miss professional sports and even a minor league team is exciting.

Brief history of the project where I am sure some important details have been omitted, but the GSW proposed moving their D-league team from North Dakota to Santa Cruz to be closer to the NBA franchise. The proposal was to build a temporary structure to seat ~3000 people. It would be a tent, much like the cirque du soleil shows that travel the country. The City was to provide a loan to the Warriors out of a general fund to build the structure and the Warriors were to put up money for equipment etc. The loan was first reported to be $3.0M. The City was to get money from concessions and the arena would sell beer during games. A basic environmental impact report (EIR) was done including studies on traffic, parking, and noise. Approval was initially given unanimously by the City Council after a public comment session (link to my live tweet of meeting) where comments were evenly split.  If anyone has been to an SC city council meeting or watched one late at night on the community access channel you know that comments are almost always negative and often quite kooky so this seemed like a big deal. Tickets were going to be in the $5-45 range with an average price of $15. T-shirts were printed, press releases went out, season ticket deposits were taken before prices were even finalized, and a Santa Cruz Warriors storefront went up downtown.

People around town seemed to be shocked that the City Council had approved the deal and really excited at having a pro team in town, even if it was a minor league team. Of course this was not unanimous. Students were certainly an excited group, but as was pointed out, students tend not to be invested in their community temporary status and aren’t equal payers into the tax base that made up the loan. However, whenever I stopped by a bar for a beer and to catch a bit of a basketball, baseball or football game the patrons of the bar seemed to be quite positive on the idea. Many of these are the surfer, regulars I referred to on twitter. My inelegant point in bringing up bar regulars (not talking Jury Room or Ye Ol’ Wateringhole here, more like Burger, the Parish or Seabright Brewery etc) is that these people are “the community.” They are the people who have lived in Santa Cruz for a long time and will continue to live here. They are the people who spend their money locally. Do they make up the whole community, no of course not, but they are an important part of it in a way that students cannot be. Honestly I was a little surprised by the reactions and got caught up in it.  Maybe it was the segment of the populations that I was talking to, but the overall attitude was very pro-Warriors. As I said this was not a scientific study and multiple anecdotes doesn’t make data, but this was what I was seeing and hearing in my time in the community.

But then things changed. The loan grew to $4M and may be up to $5M if I can keep things straight (or back down to $4.1M).  The numbers are always changing. Currently, the Warriors are pre-paying some rent and increasing their capital investments, but then getting rent credit for the increase in capital. Confusing right? We are told the increase in costs is due to changes in the design on the structure to reduce noise. Ticket prices were announced and the cheapest tickets were going for $12 with next cheapest at $20 and upwards until they hit $135 a ticket. I had earlier been excited about getting season tickets, but quickly realized I had been priced out. I feel like NBA tickets aren’t all that much more than these tickets. The fact that the Warriors were selling tickets and t-shirts before the deal was ever finalized (it still hasn’t been as of writing) understandably rubbed people the wrong way. The higher than promised ticket prices certainly rubbed me the wrong way and I know it did to others too.

Despite all of this people were still really excited of the prospect of having a D-league team in Santa Cruz. And then yesterday. The Beach Hill Neighborhood Association threatened the City with a lawsuit and all hell broke-out. Closed door meetings were held instead of being open to the public. My knee-jerk reaction (I guess I like that phrase) was to immediately dismiss Beach Hill as crazy. Fair or unfair they have a reputation for opposing any and all growth in Santa Cruz and often doing so through threats or actual frivolous lawsuits that only serve the purpose of delaying and forcing the city to spend money defending themselves. I figured this was just another instance of that. Now I have no idea. Things have taken a turn for the shady with promises already broken (ticket prices, NBA team playing a pre-season game in the venue etc). So does Beach Hill have a point? Maybe.

First I am not a lawyer. I don’t know if the City Council broke the law by expediting the process. It is very obvious though that this project moved much more quickly than most projects with a lot of pushing from the Warriors. City Council has gone so far as to admit that getting the project finished by December is a large part of their focus and decision-making. The Warriors have gone so far as making veiled threats that the project must get final approval with in the next couple of days to move forward. Closed door meeting and the perception of pushing things through before the public knows enough to oppose is certainly a bad thing for the City.

Now is this a good deal for the City or not? Initially I thought it was. It sounded as if the loan risk was quite minimal and the pay-offs were moderate to good, but now I am not so sure. The City admits it is not a money making deal, but they hope to use the project to connect downtown with the beach. Should that be enough to move forward with the deal? Is it a money making deal for the Warriors?

I come into this with my own biases. I do buy into the theory that having more foot traffic in the downtown area in the Winter will be good for businesses that rely heavily on Summer tourist foot traffic to make ends meet. I do buy into the theory that increases in foot traffic lower crime. I think a vibrant, walkable downtown is crucial to a City Center and its community. This project will contribute to all of those things. I certainly would be likely to grab a dinner or a beer downtown before catching a game when I usually avoid downtown for those things now. Downtown can seemingly handle 2800 people without too much effort.  The Derby Girls can use a bigger venue as they sell out all of their matches at the Civic Center, which is just a few blocks from the proposed Warriors site.

I also made the mistake of saying that and EIR report for building a structure in a parking lot was absurd. An EIR, and I knew this, is more than “environmental”. It is also looks at traffic, noise, and crowds. However, at least according to the council meeting I watched those parts of the EIR had been done, so I was assuming it was the commonly used delay tactic of many NIMBY folks to demand a lengthy, costly EIR to kill a project. That was not a fair assumption and therefore not a fair comment. I still don’t trust Beach Hill’s motives though. The traffic and parking study was done. It concluded that there was enough parking in a walkable distance from the arena. This is surely true. There are tons of parking spaces within a 15-minute walk of the site. Yet the study doesn’t quite pass the smell test, and that is probably because people are lazy and a 10-minute walk is a death march and they would rather circle the block 10 times and block someone’s driveway than make the walk. Seriously when Santa Cruz turned some free downtown lots into paid lots that cost a whole $0.50/hr there were nearly riots, so there is certainly a small town outlook on parking. However, the issue is handled just fine in the summer during beach tourist season. I don’t see why it cannot be handled in the same way in winter when events are held at the arena. The crowd studies and the sound studies all passed muster or plans were adjusted (metal sidings on the tent to reduce noise). However, just because a study doesn’t seem to pass the smell test does not mean that you can just throw it out. The opposition must provide reason and evidence for why the study is flawed or inaccurate.

From another stand point I see the point of those wondering why the City is putting up any money at all. Why are they loaning money to a rich franchise? Hell the initial loan was going to be less than the Mid-Level Exception. In general I think public financing of private arenas is a bad idea. Baseball may be the exception because there are 82 events a year, but in football it should never be done. The impact of 41 home basketball games is debatable, but the D-league only plays 24 home games. But again this was a loan, not a gift, however the payback of the loan is much trickier than my Honda Civic, and according to those that know better than me, including people within the City, there is a more than nominal chance at default on part of the loan. This seems to be based on how it is repaid, through rent and percentages or revenue that are not guaranteed. The loan amount has now almost doubled from its original amount 4 months ago. That being said, I was willing to look past this philosophical difference to see a team in Santa Cruz. Does this make me a hypocrite? Probably. Am I shaping the argument in my head so that I can rationalize my desired outcome? Again, probably. Did I drink @WorseThan_Cohan ‘s kool-aid? At least a few sips.

I am starting to ramble here to I am going to try and wrap it up concisely. I am sure I left out points I wanted to make, but as you can tell this is not as black and white as any of us wanted to be when it started.

Would having a D-league Team in Santa Cruz be a good thing? In my opinion absolutely yes, for the community, for local business, and for sports fans, having a pro team in town would be a good thing.

Is this current deal a good deal for the City of Santa Cruz and its citizens? That is much tougher and it is starting to look like it is not if we are even given enough information to decide.

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22
Jun

Revisiting the 2012 Predictions

And I come in with the clean sweep on our 2012 predictions.

As a reminder they were:

Mike:
WC: Lakers
EC: Miami
NBA: Miami
MVP: Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamebron

Xian:
WC – OKC
EC – MIAMI
NBA – MIAMI (UGHH)
MVP – DURANT

Jake:
WC: OKC
EC: Miami
NBA: Miami
MVP: Lebron

As far as our lowly Warrior’s record we were all too optimistic, but I was closer than the rest and was the only one on the right side of Vegas’s 29.5 line.

Nationally, Bill Simmons was the closest to predicting their record, off by one win, and if the Warrior’s hadn’t inexplicably won the game in Minnesota he would have nailed it exactly. BS probably got a little lucky with his prediction because I don’t think he was assuming Curry would miss so much time, but none-the-less he is the winner.

 

Actual: Warrior’s 23-43

Mike: 34-32  .515 winning percentage (42 wins in a normal 82 game season)

Xian: 31-35  .470 winning percentage (38.5 wins in a normal 82 game season)

Jake: 29-37  .439 winning percentage (36 wins in a normal 82 game season)

Bill Simmons 22-44; .333 winning percentage;  27 wins in a normal 82 game season (link to podcast)

 

I didn’t actually put any real money on this so bragging rights and a beer from my fellow W&W writers will have to do.

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6
Jun

Santa Cruz Warriors

The Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk

Creative Commons Photo by Flickr user TracyElaine

 

I have to admit that I am more excited than I should be that the Warriors D-league team, previously known as the Dakota Wizards, are going to be moving to Santa Cruz, where I currently reside. I even watched and live-tweeted the entire City Council meeting. If you missed the news its okay as the City council approved the funding for the move the same day the Warriors big league club announced that they would be moving to SF in 2017 (Hey that logo did some good, I didn’t have to look up the date).

The Warriors Jr. still need a mascot and maybe a name, unless they stick with The Santa Cruz Warriors.

Some details from the meeting:

  • The facility will be a Cirque du Soleil style tent that holds just approximately 2700 people.
  • Final approval for leasing the parking lot still needs to occur
  • NBA approval was still needed two weeks ago but may have been done by now, but no confirmation that it has
  • Naming rights have already been loosely agreed to, but have not been released yet
  • This is being used as a test run for both the City and the Warriors but the hope is to build a 5000 person permanent structure in the future
  • They will serve Beer!
  • The Big league club will play one pre-season game in Santa Cruz a year if the NBA approves

I will be putting my deposit down for season tickets as soon as ticket package prices are released. Currently the Warriors are taking $50 non-refundable deposits, but it is unclear what packages are going to cost. Single game tickets will be $5-45 with an average price of $15. With 25 home games that should put tickets in a reasonable range.

I am hoping to attend quite a few games, do some live-tweeting and maybe Warriors and Whatever, can become your go to place for Warrior’s D-league news.

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30
May

2012 Lottery Open Thread

Ping pong project

 Photo by Flickr user Michael Knowles (mknowlesused under a Creative Commons License

The NBA draft lottery is tonight and we get to find out how much David Stern likes the new Warrior’s ownership group. everyone knows the deal, but there is a 73% chance the Warrior’s will pick 1-3 or 7th and keep their pick. If the 27% comes up then they ship their pick off to Utah as part of a couple of trades that netted the Warrior’s a back-up point guard that barely played and the rights to further protect the pick that lead to Klay Thompson. That further protection ended up being unnecessary.

There was talk of the Warrior’s making another deal with Utah to protect this pick no matter what happened in the lottery tonight, but it sounds like those talks have fallen apart. Not really surprised, as I am not sure why Utah would agree to such a deal without heavy compensation. Next year’s pick that could go to Utah will be top 6 protected, but if there is any chance greater than about 5% of the Warrior’s landing in the top 6 then the season was an unmitigated disaster and the whole team needs to be taken Florida to have their faces eaten off by dudes on some new form of LSD. I have to say I am glad the Warrior’s are not trading away the farm to hedge against 27%.  In this game you have to have bigger cajones than that.

TK is predicting that the Warrior’s end up with the #3 pick, a bold prediction since they only have a 4.9% chance this happens. Really though it is typical TK because there are no downsides to this prediction only massive bragging rights if it comes up true. Maybe TK really does think Stern doesn’t bounce the balls with full integrity. This would probably mean drafting MKG and a collective post-coital cigarette by Warrior’s fans.

So what do you think? I am going to go against the odds and say the Warrior’s slip back and lose the pick and this nightmare will finally be over.

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27
May

SF Warriors: Our reactions

Mike:
Assuming they pull this off at the Pier 30/32 location…

I’m excited about the move. The Warriors need a new arena, and San Francisco is really the only option: they can get private backing for a SF arena — which they won’t get in Oakland — and lord knows Oakland can’t afford to chip in any cash (nor SF, for that matter). Their luxury suite revenue will increase by orders of magnitude, and along with more corporate sponsorships they’ll vault into one of the top revenue teams in the league (meaning paying the luxury tax can co-exist with the profitability that Lacob has promised his investors). From a business and team revenue standpoint, I don’t think the move can really be argued.

As for the fan vibe, while it’s sure to be different, the fan mix was going to change regardless if the team ever got good (when ticket prices would surely rise), so in my opinion the only way to preserve the exact same vibe at Oracle is for the team to continue to suck indefinitely. And I don’t think it’s going to automatically become a wine-and-cheese crowd in a new arena — this is a great region for basketball fans, and that location couldn’t be more convenient to Oakland outside of being in the actual city (and as someone who used to live on the Pittsburgh-Bay Point line, the new spot will be a more convenient BART ride than the Coliseum is).

So my bottom line is that while change always means losing some of the things you love, in the overall scheme of things this should lead to a more successful franchise that is still incredibly convenient to the vast majority of the current fan base. It will still be the Bay Area’s team, just in a stunning new location. I can’t wait.

Jake:
I spent 8 years living in Berkeley and Oakland and I grew up in the North Bay as a fan of the East Bay teams so I have a special place in my heart for Oakland. I think I understand its grittiness, its underdog mentality, and in some ways its superiority to that City across the Bay. Granted I have not been to an A’s game in over two seasons so maybe I am a part of the reason as to why they are trying to leave too. But I just cannot give that ownership group any more of my money when it requires an hour and a half drive from Santa Cruz to get there. But enough of this tangent and on to another.

During the 2007 We Believe season I was working one night a week in a bar in San Francisco and living near Lake Merritt. It was not a sports bar, but rather the type of place that B-Diddy (Mojito) and Capt. Jack (Hennessey) might stop into after a game or on a night off. None-the-less when I was working Warriors games were on the TV. Maybe one person in the half empty pre-DJ hour bar would care. Glance up from their 5th drink and look back down into half full glass. While Oakland was believing for a solid month suddenly something changed in SF. It didn’t change until game 80 though. By the playoffs all of sudden everyone in SF was a Warriors fan. Blue and gold everywhere. A full bar 60 minutes before tip-off. All eyes glued to the single TV, beers in hand waiting to erupt.  People walking by on the street would run in at the roar of the crowd and stay. The bus stop outside our door unofficially moved inside under the TV. Half-time was a chaotic cluster-f of pouring. Just a few games into the next season and it went back to one or two people staring blankly at the TV. So yes, this was a long way of saying that SF fans are a bit fair-weather and the atmosphere in the new arena will be different than Oracle. At least until the Warriors are good again(?). And if they start giving players stupid, cute animal nicknames just to sell merch … I will lose my sh*t.

Correct me if I am wrong but the new collective bargaining agreement will increase luxury tax penalties as the years go on, making it less and less of a regular tool for many teams to us. So color me a bit skeptical that the new arena will lead consistent luxury tax spending by the Warriors.

That being said, the arena on Piers 30/32 will be beautiful and amazing. It will be easier for East Bay fans coming over on BART than the China Basin site would have been too. This is not baseball though where the ballpark is so much a part of the experience. Sitting outside with a nice view of the bay and East Bay, during a slow moving game at ATT is part of the experience. Yes, the new arena will be beautiful, but at a basketball game much more time is spent looking at the court, not at your surrounding views. The only time one will really experience the architecture is out on the concorse buying a $15 beer. However, basketball is becoming a stat heavy sport, so they could do a lot of cool tech things to enhance the game experience.  Free WiFi, ordering food to your seats not just the luxury boxes, Twitter based contests, instant voting for players of the game etc (just don’t milk us for $0.99 every time we want to participate, make it part of the whole ticket package). I also have to give the ownership group a lot of credit for privately funding the arena. No way that happens in Oakland, and no way tax dollars should be spent on making a private entity a bunch of money. I am okay with some tax breaks, as surely the City of SF will benefit from the new arena, just look at what the area around ATT was like 20 years ago.

Its just hard not to feel a little punked and sad, but at least the Warriors aren’t headed to Anaheim. I think I will be a little less forgiving if the Warriors aren’t consistent playoff contenders though. Or at the very least they better entertain me with what it will cost for a ticket. Note: David Lee putting up 15 & 15 in a losing effort is not entertaining.

Christian: (in poem form)

 Overwhelming Ovations Occasionally Overpower Opposition

Accept mediocrity, sustain hope

Kinetic underdogs crest anon

Look for logic, laud loyalty

Asshole owners disable Mueli magic

Native soul, not corporate cash

Damn. Davis’ Dunk Delivers enDuring Delight