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30
May

2012 Lottery Open Thread

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 Photo by Flickr user Michael Knowles (mknowles) used under a Creative Commons License

The NBA draft lottery is tonight and we get to find out how much David Stern likes the new Warrior’s ownership group. everyone knows the deal, but there is a 73% chance the Warrior’s will pick 1-3 or 7th and keep their pick. If the 27% comes up then they ship their pick off to Utah as part of a couple of trades that netted the Warrior’s a back-up point guard that barely played and the rights to further protect the pick that lead to Klay Thompson. That further protection ended up being unnecessary.

There was talk of the Warrior’s making another deal with Utah to protect this pick no matter what happened in the lottery tonight, but it sounds like those talks have fallen apart. Not really surprised, as I am not sure why Utah would agree to such a deal without heavy compensation. Next year’s pick that could go to Utah will be top 6 protected, but if there is any chance greater than about 5% of the Warrior’s landing in the top 6 then the season was an unmitigated disaster and the whole team needs to be taken Florida to have their faces eaten off by dudes on some new form of LSD. I have to say I am glad the Warrior’s are not trading away the farm to hedge against 27%.  In this game you have to have bigger cajones than that.

TK is predicting that the Warrior’s end up with the #3 pick, a bold prediction since they only have a 4.9% chance this happens. Really though it is typical TK because there are no downsides to this prediction only massive bragging rights if it comes up true. Maybe TK really does think Stern doesn’t bounce the balls with full integrity. This would probably mean drafting MKG and a collective post-coital cigarette by Warrior’s fans.

So what do you think? I am going to go against the odds and say the Warrior’s slip back and lose the pick and this nightmare will finally be over.

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11
Feb

Linsanity and Trading for Kaman

All this Linsanity has me slightly depressed.  I have to admit that I am happy for the dude and it is a ton of fun to watch, but there is a part of you that thinks, this should have been us Warrior’s fans having all this fun.  Not those awful big-market fans.  I full expected an ex-Warriors point guard to be highly motivated and bring the Knicks fans some excitement, I just did not expect it to be Lin. The only solace I can take from this is that Carmello will be back eventually, to ruin it all, by never passing and taking bad shots.

I played with the ESPN trade Machine a little this morning wondering what it might take to get Chris Kaman and more importantly his expiring contract.  I am not sure New Orleans would make this trade, maybe too much money coming back their way but it is at least a “legal” trade.

Kaman for Biedrins, D-Wright and Jeremy Tyler.

 

I hate to give up on Tyler before he ever had a chance and have him Jermentum some other team’s fan base down the road, but we would have to throw in a young promising player and he is about the only one besides Klay Thompson, or Udoh on the roster.  Thompson cannot go anywhere if D-Wright is traded and I like Udoh enough at this point from the defensive end that I would rather gamble on Tyler.  The most important part of this trade from the Warrior’s perspective is getting rid of Biedrin’s contract (I cannot believe how this turned out.  I think I used the word “Brilliant” when he signed it, I was so sure $9M per was such a great deal).

Kaman for Biedrins and Udoh works as does Kaman for Biedrins, Udoh, and Tyler. I would do the first but I doubt that would be enough for New Orleans. I think the second trade is probably giving up too much just for salary relief.

No Beidrins Amnesty is looking worse and worse every day.

Thoughts?

4
4
Jan

Roster thoughts

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A few thoughts about the Golden State roster and potential moves quick hit style:

1) It looks like the Warriors are going to sign Nate Robinson.  Ughh.  I hated the guy at UW. I hated him even more with the Knicks.  He can quickly become a ball hog who is not nearly as good as he thinks he is. I don’t care that he is a 5’9″ slam dunk champion. I don’t care that he has a chip on his shoulder. We don’t need another selfish offensive minded guard.  Boo. I don’t think this is a play-off year so I would rather see what Ish and Jenkins can do.

2) DeMarcus Cousins may be available.  Sounds like the Warriors are not interested, but I certainly am.  I just got done saying the Warriors don’t need another selfish player, but for Cousins talent I would be willing to make an exception.  I want to think that Jackson would have more credibility with Cousins than Westphal does for the reasons of NBA experience, age, and hell I will just say it, maybe even race. I would trade Biedrins and take on Rudy Fernandez’s bad contract for Cousins in a heart beat.  I would think about including Udoh too.  However this would all rely on Jackson being okay with the trade.  If he says no go then I would trust him on this one.

3) TK suggests trading Monta to Chicago for one of their four bigs: Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson, Omer Asik or Luol Deng. I gotta say I am not in love with any of those four guys.  I haven’t liked Noah’s antics since his time at Florida and while Taj Gibson is an interesting player I just think Monta for Gibson straight up is not enough.  Deng … meh … $12M, $13M, $14M over the next three years.  Way too much money for my taste.  Monta is cheaper and better.  I am sure Chicago would jump at a 1 for 1 trade giving away any of those four named.  I would not do it from the Warrior’s end.  I know they need to do something different and trading Monta is probably the best way, but I don’t like the value in any of the above trades.  Also, I am less and less sure that Monta is the guy that has to go rather than Curry.  I am starting to think Curry’s ceiling is no where near a Steve Nash, and probably more around a Monta Ellis (albeit a different player).  Curry has a lot more value on the trade market.  The Warriors need to explore what they could get for Curry, compare that to what they can get for Monta and they may find out that they can get much more for Curry, to the point that they could be a better team with Monta + new additions, than they will be with Curry + worse new additions.

Thoughts?

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25
Jun

Trading Biedrins


Marcus Thompson has a Biedrins trade rumor post up. The deal would be Biedrins for Hasheem Thabeet and Jordan Hill.  First wow, those were some amazing busts especially Thabeet.  Even if you thought Thabeet was not the #2 player in the draft (I was in this camp) you could not have thought that he would never be a serviceable back-up defensive center.

I have to admit that at the time of the Biedrins signing I thought it was a great signing.  The right amount of money and the right terms (non-escalating). It was obvious that Baron was a huge part of Andris’s success but I would have never predicted he would become so awful upon the loss of BD.

I have to admit that getting expiring contracts for Biedrins sounds like a great deal.  Get him off the books after 2012 and start over.  My gut reaction was DO IT NOW!!! But after 5 minutes of thinking of it I can see why the Warriors may not want to make that deal.  As MTII points out they don’t have anyone one better to replace him with and he can only improve from his disaster last year. Maybe Jackson thinks he can do something to bring back a bit of the old Beans working out in Oakland during the off season, I don’t know.  I really want him to get better and be the 10-10 guy but I just don’t see it happening.

I would make this trade but it is not a slam dunk no brainer. Or maybe it is and I am over-thinking it. DO IT NOW!!! or maybe next week after mulling it over again.

Photo of a Photo by Rineke Dijkstra

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18
Jun

Re-creating That Garnett Trade Magic?

Via GoldenStateofMind, Jonathan Givony at DraftExpress is reporting that the Warriors have offered Biedrins, Ellis, and Udoh to the Magic for Dwight Howard. I’d have to imagine it will take more than that, though in the end it will depend on what other teams offer (Lakers/Bynum?) if the Magic decide they can’t afford to see Howard walk — a distinct possibility considering how much Shaq fleeing to LA with no compensation seems to still needle the fan base.

No surprise that Lacob would want in on this action — he saw how much of a difference a bona fide superstar can make when his Celtics acquired Kevin Garnett. I would certainly agree — and would do this trade in a heartbeat if the Magic gave the green light (this trade doesn’t work as-is salary-wise, so I’d assume the Magic would dump a bad contract in there as well).

I’d just be happy that someone is taking Biedrins, Udoh would become much less necessary with Howard prowling the paint (though how fun would it be to see them play together?), and while Ellis would be missed, there’s no question that Howard is by far the better player.

But what if the Magic want more? Is there a better combination that would work for them — and wouldn’t be too painful for the Warriors? There’s the #11 pick (I believe the Warriors would have to draft the player for the Magic and then trade him, since they can’t outright trade the pick before the draft), and of course, Curry is the other name that they’d surely be asking for (would they want also want to replace Biedrins with Lee in the deal, or would Lee’s contract scare them off?). Would you include Curry in a trade if it meant getting Howard?

I would, provided that Howard signed an extension. Howard is a clear top-5 player in the league, and some systems rate him as #1. If the Warriors could sign him to a long-term deal, I’d trade anyone to get him.

But if it’s just for the 1-year rental, then I’d keep Curry out of the deal. Sure, he didn’t make the leap many of us expected/hoped for, but he still has more potential for growth than anyone else on the team at an incredibly valuable position.

So we’ll see. I’d have to imagine that the Magic will get better offers, starting with the Lakers. But you never know — maybe the more “likely” trade partners get cold feet, in which case working aggressively to get in the game as the Warriors appear to be doing could just pay off.

A fan can dream, after all…

9
18
Dec

Two ex-Warriors get traded for eachother

In a trade between the Orlando Magic and the Phoenix Suns, Jason Richardson and Mickael Pietrus got traded for each other.

The trade returns former Magic star Hedo Turkoglu, along with Jason Richardson and Earl Clark, to Orlando in exchange for Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat, Mickael Pietrus, a 2011 first-round pick and cash considerations.

Orlando, losers of five of its last six games, is also close to acquiring Arenas for Rashard Lewis, sources said.

This trade seems to make Orlando better immediately and Phoenix better in the long-term as they get first round draft pick, and maybe some long-term salary relief, but I am not quite sure on that one yet until the cash considerations are released.

Do you see any trades of current Warriors on the docket?

4
19
Nov

OJ Mayo

Straight outta Vancouver explores the trade market for OJ Mayo. Mark Travis seems pretty open to the idea of improving them team by shipping OJ Mayo off for some pieces that fit better with the rest of the team.

The problem for O.J. is that he’s on a team with three above average players (Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol, and Zach Randolph) that all need looks and more often than not it seems like Mayo gets the short end of the stick.

On the season, Mayo is averaging the second most field goal attempts a game for the Grizzlies, but minor injuries have slowed the starts of Randolph and Gasol to this point and they will both likely be more aggressive and effective once they are 100% healthy. Additionally, Mike Conley seems like he is going to be shooting the ball a bit more this season based on his play during the first couple of weeks, which only takes more looks away from Mayo.

He offers up a bunch of trade scenarios with multiple teams one of which is our GSWs:

Golden State Warriors Receive: O.J. Mayo, Hasheem Thabeet

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: Monta Ellis

This offer was reportedly made last season but the Warriors turned it down. Ellis has looked a lot better this season, so there is obviously still incentive for the Grizzlies to make this deal, but Conley’s extension means Ellis would be stepping into the same role Mayo was forced into and he’s a lot more assertive than Mayo with his shot attempts, so that may not work out for Memphis. Still, there are few players as talented as Ellis and his ability to create, even though he prefers to shoot, is better than Mayo’s at this point.

I cannot imagine that this trade is even a remote possibility. If the offer was indeed made last season and the Warriors turned it down why in the world does he think it is now a possibility. Ellis is playing much better and more importantly seems to be much happier. The only reason to have even thought about this trade last year was if you thought Ellis and Curry could not play together or that Ellis was just going to Capt. Jack his way out of town. However if you think Ellis and Curry cannot play together what makes you think that Curry and Mayo can play together? Add that to the fact that Biedrins is playing much better this season and when David Lee is healthy and the emergence of Jeff Adrien off the bench I don’t know if Thabeet would even be wearing a uniform most nights. He may be more useful than Gadzuric, but probably not more useful than Vladimir Radmanovic and certainly not more useful than Adrien.

In short: NO DEAL.